Dyeing tips and tricks

topic posted Wed, March 15, 2006 - 4:20 AM by  miyo
Hello all, just joined this tribe! I'm a professional fabric dyer and would love to offer any advice that involves dyeing fabrics/clothings/trims/etc.
I've been doing it for 17+years in NYC.

ask away!
:-)
miyong
posted by:
miyo
New York City
  • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

    Wed, March 15, 2006 - 6:31 PM
    Okay, I'll take you up on that: Can I use my left-over coffee grinds, and if so, how?
    • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

      Wed, March 15, 2006 - 7:24 PM
      I don't do natural dyeing because of the toxicity of the mortants you need to adhere the dye unto the fabric. Not all natural dyes need them though, but my job uses strictly chemical dyes.

      But if you want to use left-over coffee grinds..the only color you will get is a light tea stain color. Some people use it to tint a white to off-white.

      Boil some water and the coffee grinds. Strain the grinds. Then dip your fabric/garment/itrim into the bath, stir often. You should get a slight tint. Works better with fresh coffee though. :-)

      For general home dyeing, I recommend RIT or TINTEX dyes. Use as directed. Will not dye polyesters or arylics well.

      I hope I answered your question.
      • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

        Wed, March 15, 2006 - 7:42 PM
        I don't know what "mortants" are, but they sound toxic, indeed.

        Seriously, though, thanks. Your answer was what I expected--that I'd have to waste my precious precious coffee if I wanted a dark stain rather than a dirty one, but hell, my whites look dirty already (--how DID my momma keep my whities so white??), so maybe intentionally dirty dye is better than just dirty.

        I've used RIT with moderate success, but the colors are never truly vibrant and they seem to fade so quickly. I've never tried TINTEX, but I will, and will gladly post my results if folks are interested.

        thanks again.
        ali
        • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

          Wed, March 15, 2006 - 7:59 PM
          Tintex is the same as RIT. I recommend using Direct Dyes for Cottons/Rayons/Linens/Jute. Acid Dyes for Wool, Silk, Nylon. Disperse for Acetate and Nylons. Fier Reactive dyes works best for Cotton/Rayons, the most brillinat colors. It also takes the most time.

          Drama Trading sells these dyes as wells as Pro-Chemical, Aljo Dyes. Ask for directions for them. If you are serious about dyeing, these are the types of dyes I use.

          miyong

          Morants fix the dyes into fibers, so the dyes sticks permanently. Alum, Copper, metals....all toxic.
          • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

            Fri, March 17, 2006 - 2:09 AM
            ive tried the rit dyes and i have not had good results...as another posted stated they are weak and fade so quickly...are there any tricks to use with rit?..is there a mordant for these dyes?..

            does coffee stain darker than tea?..

            seems like chemical dyes would be toxic, too...no?..

            hope i havent gone over my "question quota"...thanks

            ps...(sota voce) its "dharma trading"
            • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

              Fri, March 17, 2006 - 3:55 AM
              RIT and tintex dyes are a combination of Acid, Direct, and Disperse dyes mixed with acetic acid and salt. Acetic acid is needed to aid the acid dyes, and salt is needed for direct. (mortants= acetic acid( or citric acid) and salt are safe to use)

              To get the best results with RIT or TINTEX is to heat the dye bath.

              1. wash fabrics/clothing, set aside.
              2. mix dyes with hot water to dissolve. ( I boil water and then mix the dye into that for better dissolving.
              3. Using warm water in a large pot on the stove at a low heat, pour dissolved dye mix through a coffee strainer(metal kind) in the pot.
              4. stir well.
              5. add wet fabric/clothing into dye bath
              6. keep stirring! and bring the heat up slowly....the more heat, the better colors get deeper and more intense.
              7. If you fabric/clothing is Cotton, Rayon, Linen, add more salt....Rock/table salt. about 1 cup for item. This keep the dyes stay in the fibers.
              8. once you reach the color desired, take out of bath, rinse in lukewarm warm first, then cold. Keep rinsing well.

              TIPS: The more dye you use, the more intense the color gets. For deep/intense colors, you need to keep the dye bath going for about an hour. Bring the temp of the dye bath to almost a boil.

              Chemical dyes are much less toxic because you only need to add either salt or acid to the dye bath. Natural dyes are misleading You would like they are safer, but because you need mortants such as Cooper and other metals, it's not so safe to do at home.

              Please read the above I posted about what types of dyes to purchase for true brillint colors. You can get these at those places I mentioned.

              Aljo Dyes sells a fixitive for cotton and nylon dyes. After you dye using Direct dyes for cottons, you emerse the dyed, wet fabric/clothing into a fixitive bath. This keeps the color from fading and running off. You can also use them for RIT/TINTEX

              RIT and TINTEX will not dye Polyesters and acrylics, only tint them. Fake furs are made from those fibers and not recommended to dye, as any heat wilt the fur and it looks like crap afterwards.

              Chemical dyes are safe as long as you use a dust mask while mixing dry dyes.

              Cofee vs, Tea......do a test! French Roast? LOL

              Dyeing is complicated. When you dye garments, most of the stitching will not dye because it is made from Polyester. Zippers might not dye as well. Using high heat also can shrink the fibers.

              Next time you wanna dye something, tell me exactly what it is and I can then help you.

              PS: I suck at spelling. :-)


        • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

          Wed, June 6, 2007 - 9:27 AM
          I try to be environmentally responcible as I can when it comes to crafts and such.
          Mainly because they tend to be highly toxic and unenvironmental. (Glues, dyes, petro).
          I was thinking about the coffee dying and I think it is not worth it. I like that it is natural
          but (globaly) economic....? Coffee in the U.S. can be cheap but in some contries
          (and most often the ones who grow it) don't even have coffee to drink.
          Maybe look at natural dyes using herbs and such that we grow here and have a lot
          more of. Does anyone know about henas are they plentyful and nice to us?
      • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

        Wed, February 7, 2007 - 2:51 PM
        it helps to have the incoming fabric wet and iron it after it's dry. I once dyed an entire flower girl dress, satin, crinoline, lace trim and all with this method
    • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

      Thu, May 10, 2007 - 1:08 AM
      I just saw that there was a video about that on threadbanger. I haven't watched it yet, it sounds easy enough without a video, and you may not want to do that anyway, but I love these how to videos on that site and this is a relevant place to post it so here is the url anyway:

      www.threadbanger.com/episode...heads_12
      • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

        Thu, May 10, 2007 - 1:14 AM
        Dang----I thought I was posting my above link up there under the question about dying with coffee grounds!

        Oh, btw, thanks miyo for offering your advice about dying. I will need to spend some more time reading all the tips you have posted on this topic. It is very helpful.
  • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

    Thu, March 16, 2006 - 9:03 AM
    How about dyeing fur...I think it is lamb lining a canvas mens pea coat that wants to morph to a vibrant tie dye look.

    Do you think I can 'paint' this coat and let the dyes bleed to each other?

    Thanks for the advice! I have been wanting to do this project since November and you have inspired me to work on it.
    • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

      Thu, March 16, 2006 - 9:12 AM
      Can you tell me about dyeing shoes? How would an amature go about this?
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        Thu, March 16, 2006 - 4:57 PM
        Dyeing shoes depends on the fiber used.

        If the shoes are leather, you have a couple of options. You should go to a large shoe repair store, where they carry 2 types of dyes. One is a spray and one is an alcohol-based leather dye. Both are messy, so carefully read the directions.

        If the shoes are cotton, I recommend buying fabric paints. They should be premanent. Use a brush and paint on. Let dry and then using a hair dyer, set on HIGH HEAT and aim at the painted areas to set it more.

        Hope this helps.

        miyong
    • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

      Thu, March 16, 2006 - 4:53 PM
      Real Fur is tricky, as you need very high temps to reach any crilliant color using Acid dyes. In most cases , you really need professional fur dyer, which I am not.

      Also you can't dye fur and cotton in the same bath.The best bet is to remove the fur, try to dye it in acid dyes and reattach. There's no paint that will dye the fur, only coat it so it's stiff and not very pretty.

      Boy, these are tough questions!

      You could paint the fur using acid dyes, but then you have to steam it, very complex. and it won't dye the cotton.
      I personally advise against it, unless someone else has done this before.

      miyong
      • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

        Fri, March 17, 2006 - 7:38 AM
        Does it matter what kind of recipient you use on the stove?
        The only pot large enough that I have is Aluminum and I was wondering if that would effect the dye/process.
        Thanx!
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          Fri, March 17, 2006 - 9:20 AM
          Nope it doesn't. I use stainless steel, enamel, whatever. I just Soft Scrub it afterwards. The bigger the pot, the better you can dye.
          You must keep stirring the dye bath inthe pot! If you leave it alone, the fabric/clothing will mottle (crackle), unless you like that effect.

          Keep the pot only for dyeing. And also a strring stick only for dyeing.
          • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

            Sat, March 18, 2006 - 12:27 PM
            Actually.. it does matter... If you use and iron pot, the iron will act as a mordant & affect the colour..
            • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

              Wed, March 22, 2006 - 2:13 PM
              Well, I don't think the iron pot will affect chemical dyes. I'm sure it would using natural dyes. I could be wrong, but even finding an large iron pot to dye in is difficult and it's not worth it pricewise. Any pot used for dyeing should never be used for cooking food.
      • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

        Fri, March 17, 2006 - 4:59 PM
        Thank you for the direction and thoughts! I shall continue my research and ponder the possibilities and give dyeing real fur a whirl. Nothing like a challenge to keep my mind creative!

        I am thinking painting fur with acid dye and find a way to steam. Then maybe some paints for the cotton canvas. In another month I hope to be able to send you some pics that are not a muck of fur, color, and paintballs.

        Thanks again!
      • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

        Wed, February 7, 2007 - 2:54 PM
        how about Design Master spray paint ? it's in craft stores for dyeing silk flowers, very soft finish, and I've used it on shoes, but never on fur
      • Dying Faux Fur?

        Mon, August 13, 2007 - 6:52 AM
        Saw the question re dying real fur....but can you dye faux fur? I have a faux fur jacket in a very light beige colour and would like to make it black....do you think this would be possible?

        By the way.....thanks for the advice on dying by duvet lime green - it worked perfectly and I'm really happy with the result.

        xx
  • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

    Wed, March 22, 2006 - 10:12 AM
    Miyo, Do you happen to know the best UV reactive dyes for dying silk? I'm in the process of creating some UV reactive silk flags and found some resources at www.flaggerboy.com. They suggest

    Dharma Yellow from Dharma trading company.

    Jaquard Acid dyes
    612 Lilac
    620 Hot Fuscia
    623 Brilliant Blue
    627 Kelly Green
    628 Chartreuse
    639 Jet Black

    Aljo dyes
    Fluorescent Rhodamine B
    Fluorescent Blue G
    Fluorescent Violet
    Fluorescent Flavine Yellow
    Lily Rose
    Violet

    Thanks!
    • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

      Wed, March 22, 2006 - 2:10 PM
      I use and like ALJO's Flourescent Blue, Flavine and Rhodamine. The Flavine mixed with Blue will give you a Bright Green. You can mix them for other colors. omg.they have a flourescent violet now? I must buy some immediatey!
      Just go to aljo online or call them to buy it. Herb and Robin are the owners. Tell them Miyong sent you, they know me!

      www.aljodye.com/


      Their Lily Rose is awesome!.......warning...use a metal coffee strainer after you mix the dye with hot water before u put into a bath. The lily Rose is stitcky. Same for their Violet. I also recommend their Rhodamine G....more orangy than B.

      clean afterwards with soft scrub, bleach....

      I've dyed feather with those colors......glows in Black light......awesome.

      Jaquard is a name brand, they also carry good dyes, but since aljo is in NYC, I've used them for 17+ years.

      Remember to buy some citric or acetic acid to add to your bathwater. It's a MUST! Vinegar is a cheap option, but you need alot of it, where citric acid you can buy at the grocery store in the food canning section.
      • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

        Thu, April 19, 2007 - 2:04 AM
        funny story, i was on tribe, wondering about uv reactive dyes, so i went to google it, and where did i find the best info, right back here in a tribe that im already a part of, and ironically enough, one of the people talking about said topic is a friend! thanks!!!
  • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

    Wed, January 24, 2007 - 10:38 AM
    I have a question, i unfortunatly had a black bic ball point pen in the dryer and it of course ruined all of my clothes, i am probably going to just dye them to a dark blue color (only the shirts) because most of them are white....do you have any suggestions? i've never used a clothes dye before so want to do it right.

    Thanks
    • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

      Thu, January 25, 2007 - 3:25 PM
      Before you try dyes, go to a dry cleaner. For the white garments, there's a chemical that removes ink stains which only dry cleaners have. Think it's called Yellow Go. Can not be bought by the public.

      If they don't come out, remember that any stitching will probably not dye as most threads used in garments are polyester and not dyeable using standard dyes. they might tint a bit but that's it.

      here are some places to get info and dyes:
      Pro-Chemical
      Aljo Dyes
      Dharma Trading.

      The dye that is most colorfast are Fiber Reactive dyes. You can do this in a large tub. You'll need salt and soda ash to activate the dyes. Follow directions provided by the dye houses.

      You can also use Direct Dyes which dye cottons well, but are not color fast and require high temps with lots of salt.
      You can use RIT or TINTEX dyes which all all fibes except acrylics and polyesters. Best results are if you heat the dyes on the stove and not in the washer. Not color-fast.

      Aljo Dyes sell Fixitives for cottons dyed with Direct dyes and/or RIT/TINTEX. requires a bit of acid - citric acid, acetic acid or white vinegar. Helps keep dyes from running in the wash.
      • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

        Fri, January 26, 2007 - 3:05 AM
        Here's one for you.
        Some how, my wonderful husband got a bleach stain in the form of a hand on the back of a black shirt.
        I initially tried liquid dye but there remains a difference in the two blacks.
        DO I HAVE TO "untint" (bleach) the original garment and start from zero?

        another question.
        How do you keep dies from running.
        Ie., a black shirt with a white collar.
        I had initially tried to set the die with a salt/cold water bath but one washing in warm water (grease stains) turned the collar gray. =(
        • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

          Fri, January 26, 2007 - 9:04 AM
          Liquid dyes work best if you heat them on the stove to boiling, esp for blacks. But I would use Direct dye in Blackm\, eaht to boiling with salt, then use the fix bath. See above for fixitives to set.

          If the black shirt has a white collar and is running, there's nothing you can do. Bad dye job sounds like it.
  • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

    Sun, February 4, 2007 - 6:54 PM
    Hi Miyo. I can't find any black gloves for a 3-yr old girl for a wedding. Can I dye white gloves?
    Thanks, Irene
    • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

      Mon, February 5, 2007 - 4:44 AM
      you can dye it if it's nylon, acetate, cotton. not polyesters or arylics. Acid, Disperse, even RIT/TINTTX works. dye it using very hot water on the stove.
      • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

        Mon, February 5, 2007 - 1:30 PM
        OK, Miyo, Thank you so much. I'll try it and see what happens!
        • Re: Dyeing tips and tricks

          Tue, February 6, 2007 - 7:41 PM
          Hey Miyo, how much do you know about bleach stop? Does it really stop? I bought it from Dharma, but am a little hesitant to guarantee my customers that it won't eat away at the fabric still. : ( I would hate to have them come back later.

          basically I am trying to bleach it out...then dye it again....well paint/dye actually a pattern. It might be easier to batik, but removing the wax seems like a really big pain...lol